Meta and TikTok Review
Overnight review · Meta and TikTok · Fri 16 Oct

Meta and TikTok: what to change

The answer

Yes, change where the effort goes, but keep Meta, TikTok and your founder videos: they took Meta from 0.15 of break-even to 0.96 within a week (0.71 in the latest window, 13 to 15 October, with Thursday's full day).

What most raises our chances is more winning videos on Meta, where one video, "Holy Grail", carries the account right now, and on TikTok, creators selling BROQ for a commission plus many more BROQ posts.

All 13 members agree on that, and the budget rule changes some of them want are your and Nick's call, in the questions at the end.

Your two questions from Thursday

Could the declined charge explain Thursday's bad results? Only a small part. After the 11:42am payment went through, Meta spent far less than usual for a few hours ($3.18 at 11am, $4.60 at noon and $11.23 at 1pm, against $37.16, $19.78 and $26.89 the day before), but it caught up by night: $410.08 for the whole day against $506.88 on Wednesday. Sales fell much further than spend: Thursday brought 3 new customers ($158.75), $0.39 in sales per $1 against $3.28 on Wednesday. Nothing else was wrong in the account, and four members say not to judge anything on one day. Thursday does count toward Saturday's budget move (13 to 15 October now reads 0.71 of break-even), so Nick checks the tracking first (item 4).

Does TikTok really go good day, bad day? Not as a steady rhythm, but the dips are real: they're the days TikTok spends least. TikTok's report by day (20 to 26 September, then 9 to 15 October; the campaign was off in between) shows the three days with the least spent were also the three with the fewest orders: 22 September ($89.34 spent, 2 orders), 9 October, the day it restarted ($107.95, 3) and 13 October ($95.59, 3). Each was followed by a good day. Late September did go up and down every day for a week, but 10 to 12 October were three good days running. Four of the five TikTok members call the swings mostly noise; Fernando Campos calls the dip and bounce partly real.

Over a week it evens out: $2.88 in sales per $1 for 20 to 26 September and $3.38 for 9 to 15 October (with Thursday still partial), against $2.79 to break even (TikTok's count of all orders, not only new customers). So judge TikTok on 3 or 7 days, never one; never cut after one bad day; don't pause the campaign again (Alex Elsea: the restart day was weak); and keep feeding it new BROQ videos (items 2 and 3). The automatic increase is question 6.

Do this

  1. Build on "Holy Grail" this week, then film two new video ideas a week.One video carries Meta right now, and we need more than one winner: Holy Grail brought 9 of the 16 orders Meta counted in the 12 to 14 October window.No extra ad money. You, about 1 to 2 hours of filming this week, then about 2 to 3 hours a week. Backed by 8 of 13.
    How, and the full reason for item 1

    What: This week, 3 or 4 new versions of Holy Grail, each with a new opening line and a new opening picture (another spot, or the study on screen), plus shorter cuts of it. From next week, two new ideas a week, each for a different kind of buyer (found in customer reviews), with 2 or 3 openings each.

    Why: Meta barely spent on the same video with other opening lines, so a new version needs different first seconds, not just new words. Aim: a second ad taking real spend within 7 days.

  2. TikTok: send free BROQ to 30 creators who already sell, and pay them more on their own posts.Creators are paid only when they sell, and their deal videos hold viewers far better than ours (about 73% and 78% still watching after 2 seconds, against about 26% for our best seller).About $760 to $925 in product and shipping for 30, plus commission on what they sell. Nick about 3 hours. Backed by 7 of 13.
    How, and the full reason for item 2

    What: Nick sends BROQ to 30 TikTok creators who already sell supplements or deals (like CrayCool Style and RD Dealz), with a one-page brief on the three angles that sell: living longer, a top-supplements list, a deal. Their commission is higher on sales from their own posts than on sales from ads we run on their posts. Ask the best ones for the right to run their videos on Meta too. Check TikTok's rules for supplement creators first.

    Why: Yet they make only 16.1% of our TikTok sales today, so there's a lot of room to grow. First posts in 1 to 3 weeks, in time for Black Friday on 27 November.

  3. TikTok: post at least one new BROQ video a day on each shop account we post to.TikTok's ad system (GMV Max) is selling mostly from a few old videos, and more new posts give it more to pick from.No extra money. You, about 3 hours a week, partly the same filming as item 1. Backed by 6 of 13.
    How, and the full reason for item 3

    What: Copy what already sells there (a deal, a top-supplements list, living longer), plus every Meta video and its cuts. You film in one or two batches, and Claude cuts each take into several openings. Keep TikTok's effort on BROQ, which is 90.8% of GMV Max sales.

    Why: Our best TikTok seller is still last year's Black Friday post (18.6% of sales).

  4. Before Saturday's 12:01am budget move: check the tracking, and add an "all new customers" number to the nightly report.Most new customers arrive with no ad tag, so the nightly budget rule can't see them and may be cutting ad sets that are working.No money. Nick about 2 hours; a Claude session adds the number. Backed by 4 of the 8 Meta members.
    How, and the full reason for item 4

    What: Nick checks in Meta's Events Manager that Meta's purchases for 14 and 15 October match Shopify's. And the nightly report shows, beside the ad-tagged number, all new-customer sales (tagged or not) per $1 of all ad spend. The rule itself stays as it is unless you say otherwise.

    Why: 8 of 12 new BROQ customers since 8 October had no tag, 8 new customers on Wednesday had no record of which page they arrived on, and by 5:31pm Thursday the store had 25 orders, none with an ad tag.

  5. Lead with bigger first orders.A bigger first order breaks even sooner, so we can afford to pay more to win each customer.No ad money. Claude sessions change the pages for your and Nick's OK (about 30 minutes of yours). Nick about 1 to 2 hours on the TikTok bundle; you and Nick set its price. Backed by 6 of 13.
    How, and the full reason for item 5

    What: On the ad pages and in new ads, put the bigger orders first: all three products, 2 bottles of SPMD-99, 3 pouches of BROQ. Run the new blood-test ad, built Thursday night, as its own offer. On TikTok, a 2-pouch BROQ bundle in place of seller discounts.

    Why: Each $1 of ads has to bring back less (SPMD-99: 1.55 for 2 bottles, against 1.71 for one; BROQ: 1.61 for 3 pouches, against 1.72 for one; all three, one-time: 1.59).

The detail

Straight answers to your questions

What do the results so far say? Meta turned when your videos went in: 0.15, 0.15 and 0.17 of break-even while image ads carried it, then 0.75 and 0.96 once your videos ran. The latest window, 13 to 15 October with Thursday's full day, reads 0.71. Most of it rests on one video, Holy Grail ($434.44 spent, 9 orders). On TikTok, ads alone made $2.10 per $1 over the last 3 days against $2.79 needed (0.75x), not counting the lift on Amazon and the site, which you put at about 1.0x. Creators make only 16.1% of our TikTok sales.

Should we change our approach? Yes, all 13 say so, but in where the effort goes, not in the channels. Keep Meta and TikTok, your founder videos, the lab proof and the matched pages. Move the effort from budget rules and new opening lines on the same video to new video ideas, creators on TikTok, a scoreboard that sees untagged sales, and bigger first orders.

What most raises our chances on Meta? More winning videos. One video carries the account, and 5 of the 20 live ads hold about 80% of the spend. Build on Holy Grail now, then two new ideas a week, each for a different buyer.

What most raises our chances on TikTok? Creators and volume, on BROQ. Send product to creators who already sell, and post far more new BROQ videos in the shapes that already sell, so GMV Max has more to push. The TikTok members expect this to take weeks: first creator posts in 1 to 3 weeks, and Alex Elsea doesn't expect samples to break even before about 30 to 45 days.

More on TikTok's good day, bad day Two of Tuesday's 3 orders were subscription shipments, so new buyers that day came to only $0.33 per $1. The automatic increase (up to half again, once a day, $300 at most) was switched on Wednesday, though the records don't show when it kicked in. Thursday (to 10:07pm: $186.21, 9 orders, $546.21) isn't a full day yet. Two of those three low-spend days were Tuesdays (22 September and 13 October); Alex Elsea would check Tuesday 20 October before calling it a weekday dip. Days at or above $2.79 per $1: 8 of the 14.

Who sat, and why

Meta (8):

  • Taylor Holiday: sets ad budgets from the money goal; offers first, creative volume, measuring all sales.
  • Ben Heath: Meta account structure and budgets for small and mid-size accounts.
  • Charley Tichenor IV: simple account setups, small budget steps, judging by the week.
  • Ash Melwani: co-founded a supplement brand (Obvi) and grew it on Meta and TikTok Shop.
  • Nick Shackelford: creative ideas and offers as the big levers; scaling winners into new formats.
  • Alex Cooper: ad ideas built from customer research, in customers' own words.
  • Sam Piliero: campaign budgets, launching new ads in batches, when to switch ads off.
  • Dara Denney: founder ads, more faces, ads for different kinds of buyers.

TikTok (5):

  • Jordan West: growing TikTok Shop through creators; measuring the lift on other channels.
  • Fernando Campos: TikTok Shop launches built on one hero product, video volume and creator samples.
  • Jordan Kilgour: running GMV Max day to day: feeding it new videos, reading its creative grades.
  • Alex Elsea: GMV Max fed by free samples to creators at volume; listings that sell.
  • Savannah Sanchez: hooks and the first 3 seconds, creator videos, on both TikTok and Meta.
Where they disagreed
  • How many ads. Charley Tichenor wants fewer: keep the 5 that Meta spends on and pause the other 15 ("more ads equals a dumber machine"). Taylor Holiday, Ash Melwani and Savannah Sanchez want 8 or more new ads a week. Item 1 goes for more new ideas and fewer near-copies.
  • More opening lines on the same video. Ben Heath wants 5 to 10 more on Holy Grail. Ash Melwani, Alex Cooper, Dara Denney and Nick Shackelford say stop adding lines to one video. Savannah Sanchez says a new line only counts if the opening picture changes too. Item 1 follows her.
  • Ad sets. Ben Heath and Charley Tichenor would merge everything into one ad set. Sam Piliero would keep the four ad sets under one campaign budget. Nick Shackelford would leave it as it is. Question 2.
  • Budget timing. Ben Heath (small daily steps), Charley Tichenor (small steps three times a week) and Sam Piliero (weekly) would all read the last 7 days. Taylor Holiday would replace the bands with a minimum-return setting inside Meta and budgets about 5 times today's. Nick Shackelford would let the 48-hour rule run. Question 1.
  • Switching ads off on Friday. Taylor Holiday and Ben Heath say don't switch ads off on numbers this small. Sam Piliero would switch off two weak ads now and a third (NMN-99 proven) after a check. Charley Tichenor would pause 15. Question 3.
  • Thursday night's new ads. Sam Piliero would put them in their own ad set with a $50 a day floor (against your rule that no ad gets its own ad set). Charley Tichenor would combine them into two ads with several openings each. The others would launch them as planned.
  • How many TikTok creators. Jordan Kilgour wants about 10 good ones. Jordan West, 50 over two weeks. Alex Elsea, 50 this week, rising to 125 a week (about 500 a month). Item 2 takes 30, given cash.
  • TikTok settings. Fernando Campos would boost two proven videos ($280 over a week) and take NMN-99 and SPMD-99 out of GMV Max. Jordan Kilgour says no boosts and leave GMV Max alone. Your 11 October decision keeps NMN-99 and SPMD-99 in unless they waste money.
  • "In 2 years I turn 60" on TikTok. Jordan West and Alex Elsea would take it out of GMV Max; Fernando Campos says don't boost it. Jordan Kilgour would leave it. Question 5.
  • AI. Alex Cooper would make one AI-animated BROQ ad a week showing what sulforaphane does in the body. Savannah Sanchez says no AI people, voices or scripts in a finished ad.
What each member said

Every member said their changes would raise our chances.

  • Taylor Holiday: put your break-even floor inside Meta instead of moving budgets after the fact. Top action: a minimum-return setting on each ad set with much bigger budgets (your and Nick's call), and at least 9 new ads a week.
  • Ben Heath: keep the videos and lab proof; change the plumbing. Top action: one ad set for everything, small daily budget steps on 7 days, then new openings on Holy Grail (he'd test them in Meta's own testing tool, which needs your and Nick's yes).
  • Charley Tichenor IV: "it's almost always the structure around them." Top action: one campaign, one ad set, the 5 ads Meta already spends on; small budget steps on 7 days.
  • Ash Melwani: keep the matched pages. Top action: the tracking check before Saturday, 8 new video ads in the Holy Grail shape, the all-three set above the single bottle, 30 TikTok creator samples.
  • Nick Shackelford: the settings are the small lever; ideas and offers are the big ones. Top action: turn Holy Grail into an image, a motion graphic and a short clip; test 5 new ideas a week as images before you film them.
  • Alex Cooper: feed your videos from customer research, not from the science alone. Top action: one sheet of what buyers say, this week, from BROQ's Amazon reviews plus video comments and customer emails (NMN-99 and SPMD-99 have almost no reviews yet); then two new video ideas a week.
  • Sam Piliero: change the structure and the rhythm. Top action: one campaign budget across the four ad sets; budget moves once a week on 7 days; switch off two weak ads now, a third after a check.
  • Dara Denney: you've found your first winning format, the founder ad; now add variety. Top action: two new founder videos a week, each for a different buyer; new cuts of Holy Grail and "Move over, Bryan Johnson"; more faces.
  • Jordan West: GMV Max amplifies; creators on commission are the engine that costs nothing until a sale. Top action: a Black Friday creator push on BROQ (50 samples over two weeks), two commission rates, a TikTok-only bundle.
  • Fernando Campos: treat TikTok as a video volume game on one product. Top action: two filming batches a week on the three angles that sell, one post a day per account, 30 samples.
  • Jordan Kilgour: feed GMV Max, don't fiddle with it. Top action: 5 new BROQ videos a day this week, rising to 7; read TikTok's creative grades weekly; about 10 good creators.
  • Alex Elsea: GMV Max is the amplifier; samples to creators are the fuel. Top action: 50 free samples this week, rising toward about 500 a month; check the product and shop scores; a buy-more-save-more BROQ offer.
  • Savannah Sanchez: change the creative, not the channel. Top action: 8 new Holy Grail versions with new opening lines and opening shots; 8 BROQ green-screen ads a week; faces besides yours.
The numbers behind this
  • Meta, 3-day windows from 8 to 10 Oct through 13 to 15 Oct: 0.15, 0.15, 0.17, 0.75, 0.96, 0.71 of break-even (the last with Thursday's full day, read at 11:57pm).
  • Meta budgets now: $336.66 a day (SPMD-99 $137.50, BROQ $60.56, NMN-99 $45.00, multi-product $93.60).
  • Window of 12 to 14 Oct: 16 counted orders, split 9, 2, 2 and 3 across the four ad sets.
  • Holy Grail: $434.44 spent, 9 orders, $703.97 counted. The same video with other opening lines: $32.57 and $7.62 spent, no orders.
  • 20 live Meta ads; 5 of them hold $1,503.11 of the $1,866.12 spent (about 80%).
  • Orders with no ad tag: 8 of 12 new BROQ customers since 8 Oct; on Wed 14 Oct, 8 new-customer orders ($509.58) with no landing page; Thu 15 Oct, 25 orders by 5:31pm, none ad-tagged.
  • TikTok, last 3 days: $2.10 per $1 on ads alone, against $2.79 to break even (0.75x); budget holds at $200 a day.
  • GMV Max, 1 to 14 Oct: $1,003.51 spent, 62 orders, BROQ 90.8% of sales.
  • Best TikTok seller: "Biggest Black Friday deal", 18.6% of sales, posted 27 Nov 2025.
  • Creators' share of TikTok sales: 16.1% (27 Aug to 25 Sep).
  • Viewers kept past 2 seconds: creators' deal videos 73.40% and 78.15%; our best seller 26.07%.
  • "In 2 years I turn 60": $323.89 spent for $228.89 in sales.
  • Break-even per $1 by first order: SPMD-99 1 bottle 1.71, 2 bottles 1.55; BROQ 1 pouch 1.72, 3 pouches 1.61; all three, one-time, 1.59.
  • Thursday's full day (store to 11:50pm, Meta read at 11:57pm): Meta spent $410.08; 3 new customers bought $158.75 ($0.39 per $1). Wednesday: $506.88 spent, 19 new customers, $1,660.76 ($3.28 per $1).
  • All seven of Thursday night's new ads (blood test, video 6 hooks 1 to 3, sulforaphane 1 to 3) went on at 12:00am Friday, and Meta approved all seven by 12:15am.
  • Meta spend per hour after Thursday morning's payment: 11am $3.18, noon $4.60, 1pm $11.23; the day before: $37.16, $19.78, $26.89.
Also agreed, but not in the five
  • Keep Holy Grail running, untouched (Alex Cooper, Ben Heath).
  • Don't judge anything on a single day, Thursday included (Taylor Holiday, Nick Shackelford, Fernando Campos, Ash Melwani; Charley Tichenor would judge by the week).
  • A second face besides yours: Nick on camera (Nick Shackelford), customers' own phone videos (Dara Denney), creators' videos run as Meta partnership ads (Dara Denney, Savannah Sanchez).
  • Measure TikTok's lift on Amazon every week (Amazon BROQ sales and Subscribe & Save, now 599 for BROQ), and get Seller Center's orders export for the real TikTok fees (Jordan West, Jordan Kilgour, Alex Elsea).
  • Plan Black Friday now: one BROQ November deal, fixed, with creators posting before 27 November (Jordan West, Fernando Campos).

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